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NateFailsNateFails Posts: 16
edited August 20 in PC Builds
Greetings,
Long time viewer, just recently got the modding itch again. I watched the best cheap CPUs of 2017 and I'm very budget !

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k6VKr7
 ^my current setup

would a OC'd X3460 on a P7H55 board be better? I'm picking up a 6gb 1060 locally tomorrow to replace that 380x
Also would it be worth it to invest in some better RAM for this setup?

This is what I'm thinking my final setup will be :
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LZb96X

Thanks all for reading!

Comments

  • RelaxativeRelaxative Posts: 25
    You have plenty of cooling and power supply headroom, so why not try overclocking the 8320? You should be able to get it well past 4ghz with ease and maybe even past 4.5 GHz. An overclocked 3460 would beat a stock 8320 but overclock the 8320 and it might beat the 3460.

    I would be cautious spending money on fast ddr3 paired with a first gen Intel. That is only their second gen ddr3 controller and their first gen ever with the memory controller on the CPU.  A 4790k can run 32gb 2400mhz ram with an overclock but a i7 920 at stock might have issues getting 12gb to 2400mhz. It is not bad to get faster ram, you can just run it slower if needed but it does cost more and you might not see any benefit because the CPU might not be fast enough to take advantage of it.

    Hope that helps.
    Xeon x5650 @4.3ghz
    Gigabyte x58a-ud5
    4x4gb DDR3-1600 cas 9
    XFX R9 280 Double Dissipation
    Define R5 Blackout
    240gb SSD, 2tb 7200rpm
    Corsair TX850w
    Noctua NH-U12P SE2, 5 other 120mm fans
    Dell 900p 75hz monitor, Logitech g700s, meh keyboard
    Windows 7/10 dual boot
  • NateFailsNateFails Posts: 16
    I run the 8320 at 4.0 just like the stock 8350. I didn't get good silicon lottery though as I've tried and can't stay stable above 4.3 and really my issue atm is CPU bottlenecking from monitoring as I increase graphics settings.
  • NateFailsNateFails Posts: 16
    Well I tried my hand at OC'ing this 8320 today and got to 4.5 o.O . I just had to stop listening to Bryan's poor explanation video he did years back ! Sorry Bryan but you were overvolting that core like a nobody's business. 4.4 stable at 1.35v for me not 1.44v . CB score is now 700 .
  • NateFailsNateFails Posts: 16
    edited August 22
    Help people ! I'm stuck in 2012 ! I bought a gtx 690 b/c of it's price and didn't even realize I couldn't use all 4GB in games before pulling the trigger! I'll inspect, tweak and benchmark to compare, if it's not close to same as 380x I'll flip it. Anways the list of stuff I keep buying off ebay has grown far longer than I care to list. Mind you I'm only buying something if it is a good deal, I don't need these extra PC parts ... just have the itch to throw stuff together at the moment.

    So out of the stuff I've bought, the list of 2nd PC parts is now :
    P7H55 Asus
    X3460
    GTX690
    Patriot Viper V3 2x4GB 1600mhz DDR3

    parts I'm on the hunt for :
    2nd SSD
    2nd PSU for either setup

    I think this has turned into a journal for my PC bargain hunting... hope that's okay !
  • NateFailsNateFails Posts: 16
    I grabbed a PSU for my above discussed PC. I've decided this is going to be the intel setup I'm gifting to my brother for a Hacintosh build, so long as it works for MAC OS.

    On other notes I've done it again... going to put an X5650 in this one for starters to replace my AMD 8320. Now I'm using this new fancy list to help find another gfx card o.O . halp ! http://techcity.tv/tech-yes-city-gpu-firestrike-scores/ 


  • Tech_0neTech_0ne Posts: 289
    Gotta love the x5650, overclocked it's nearly on par with my 4790k, for £13!!!! Maybe even less now.

    Never been a fan of dual gpu cards like the 690 or sli/crossfire in general, more trouble that it's worth. Up until recently (last week) I had dual 970's in my secondary rig and tbh it wasn't worth the extra heat/power/noise especially at the resolution I was running, just liked the look on them in my system:
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    Main Rig:  CPU - i7 4790k | Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-Z97X | RAM - Corsair LP 16GB (4 x 4GB) | GPU - Asus  GTX 980ti Matrix | Case - InWin 805 | Boot Drive - Samsung 500GB M.2 | Storage - 2 x Sandisk SSD's | PSU - Seasonic M12ii 850 | Display - Qnix QX2710 |  Cooling - NZXT Kraken x61

    2nd Rig:  CPU - X5650 | Motherboard - MSI  X58 Pro-E | RAM - 12GB DDR3 (6 x 2GB) | GPU - 2 x Asus GTX 970 turbo in SLI | Case - InWin H-Frame | Boot Drive - Crucial BX100 120GB | Storage - 2TB Seagate Barracuda | PSU - Corsair CXM 750 | Cooling - Hyper 212 EVO

    Laptop: HP Omen 15 |  i5 7300HQ | GTX 1050 | 120GB SSD | 1TB HDD | 8GB DDR4




  • NateFailsNateFails Posts: 16
    @Tech_0ne , I'm really glad to read your response. I'm hoping this gtx690 won't be too much issue in this hacintosh build I have planned. If I don't like it, I'll flip it. Also I rewatched Bryan's video on overclocking these x56XX chips and I'm leaning towards x5675 now. I've got a strong board to clock with provided when it arrives it's not been abused. The last gen AMDs sold the same CPU FX83XX series based on how well the silicon performed. I'm wondering if this might be a similar situation, as I really want to step up the clock speeds as high as it's worth going with an AIO cooler. Do you think I would see marginal gains in the 75 over the 50 ? The 75 can be had to 22 USD more ATM.
  • exturkconnerexturkconner Posts: 383
    As a rule all of the x58 overclcokable chips are pretty close in performance.4.0-4.2.
    The ones binned to have higher clocks at the upper end can on occasion OC higher. But it's pretty marginal.
    My x5687 got an overclock of 4.36 but it has one of the highest stock clocks of any x58 cpu. It was on an iffy board using a modest cooler. It's possible I could have gotten as high as 4.5 with a proper board and better cooling.
    You may see a modest boost from a 75 over a 50 but it would likely be .1-.2 .
  • NateFailsNateFails Posts: 16
    I had enough time today to make sure the parts I got in were in working order. That includes my Intel hacintosh board and cpu. 

    The VGA port wouldn't display, so I slapped my really old hd 6850 gfx card on it to verify the board would post and the chip was recognized. The mobo case I use to bench should show just how long my brother and I have been building PCs and we're both barely still under 30.
  • Sir_iceeiceSir_iceeice Posts: 136
    edited August 24
    If the first gen i7 series uses the same memory controller as the 2nd gen then you will not be able to overclock the ram past 2000Mhz.
    Motherboard : ASRock Z77 Extreme 4 (8 + 4 Power Phase Design)
    CPU: Intel i5-3570k at 4.7GHz  1.32v
    CPU Cooler: DEEPCOOL Gamer Storm CAPTAIN 240
    Ram: V-Color OC Series 16GB (4x4GB) 2133Mhz 10-11-11-30-1T at 1.550v
    Storage:  ADATA Premier SP550 2.5" 480GB and 2Tb 3.5" Seagate
    Graphic Card: GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 960 4GB G1 GAMING OC EDITION
    Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 550 GS
    Mouse: MSI Interceptor
    Keyboard: Corsair K70 Vengeance Mechanical Gaming Keyboard, Cherry MX Red
    Monitors : 3x AOC 22" 1080p, 1x Dell 1080p Monitor

  • exturkconnerexturkconner Posts: 383
    edited August 24
    If I recall correctly x58 can get as high as 2400. But it's pretty rare to see that. Most people only manage 2000. But even with that ddr3s has a max stock speed I don't recall 100%. So anything over that is an overclocked profile and if you are over clocking your ram it can create a deficit in your ability to over clock your cpu. If you want your cpu running as fast as possible you are likely going to have to stick with stock clock. You may even have to underclock your ra slightly.
  • Sir_iceeiceSir_iceeice Posts: 136
    If I recall correctly x58 can get as high as 2400. But it's pretty rare to see that. Most people only manage 2000. But even with that ddr3s max stock speed is 1333 or 1666 I don't recall 100%. So anything over that is an overclocked profile and if you are over clocking your ram it can create a deficit in your ability to over clock your cpu. If you want your cpu running as fast as possible you are likely going to have to stick with stock clock. You may even have to underclock your ra slightly.
    There were DDR3 stick that ship with the possible of going up to 3000Mhz.
    Motherboard : ASRock Z77 Extreme 4 (8 + 4 Power Phase Design)
    CPU: Intel i5-3570k at 4.7GHz  1.32v
    CPU Cooler: DEEPCOOL Gamer Storm CAPTAIN 240
    Ram: V-Color OC Series 16GB (4x4GB) 2133Mhz 10-11-11-30-1T at 1.550v
    Storage:  ADATA Premier SP550 2.5" 480GB and 2Tb 3.5" Seagate
    Graphic Card: GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 960 4GB G1 GAMING OC EDITION
    Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 550 GS
    Mouse: MSI Interceptor
    Keyboard: Corsair K70 Vengeance Mechanical Gaming Keyboard, Cherry MX Red
    Monitors : 3x AOC 22" 1080p, 1x Dell 1080p Monitor

  • exturkconnerexturkconner Posts: 383
    Higher than that the fastest ddr3 was 3200 I believe but it's an XMP profile. It's overclocked ram not stock speed. So it can negatively effect your CPU's ability to OC.
  • Tech_0neTech_0ne Posts: 289
    What board and CPU are you running in that  Pic? If it's the Xeon you mentioned that's probably why the VGA port wouldn't display, no iGPU on Xeons IIRC.


    Ooooh socket 939 :P  I think I have an old Athlon X2 laying around somewhere with bent up pins :P
    ____________________________
    Main Rig:  CPU - i7 4790k | Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-Z97X | RAM - Corsair LP 16GB (4 x 4GB) | GPU - Asus  GTX 980ti Matrix | Case - InWin 805 | Boot Drive - Samsung 500GB M.2 | Storage - 2 x Sandisk SSD's | PSU - Seasonic M12ii 850 | Display - Qnix QX2710 |  Cooling - NZXT Kraken x61

    2nd Rig:  CPU - X5650 | Motherboard - MSI  X58 Pro-E | RAM - 12GB DDR3 (6 x 2GB) | GPU - 2 x Asus GTX 970 turbo in SLI | Case - InWin H-Frame | Boot Drive - Crucial BX100 120GB | Storage - 2TB Seagate Barracuda | PSU - Corsair CXM 750 | Cooling - Hyper 212 EVO

    Laptop: HP Omen 15 |  i5 7300HQ | GTX 1050 | 120GB SSD | 1TB HDD | 8GB DDR4




  • NateFailsNateFails Posts: 16
    Oh tech_one , that is the h55 x3460 pictured. I didn't realize, but it makes sense a serve cpu had no apu. Yes it's socket 939 box ! 
    As far as RAM my board supports 1600 c9 so that's what I'm going to run. I installed the x5650 and ran the 690 for a while. I had no issue running any game at 1080p max or close until I tried the destiny 2 beta... It needs 2.8 gb vram for max settings. The game doesn't even allow you to apply highest texture if you have less than 2.8k vram. So I swapped in a 1060 and problem solved. Again I liked the 690, runs hotter but that's obviously going to happen, but I want to flip it now. And I'll buy another 1060 when another deal comes my way for the hacintosh.
  • FreeNAS i heard is pretty good

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    //i7-3770k @ 4.3ghz//EVGA GTX 980ti SC+//16gb G.Skill ARES DDR3 1600//OCZ ModXstream Pro 700w PSU//Intel DZ77GA-70k Mobo//Asus vg248qe 144hz 24" 1080p monitor//Deepcool Captain 240EX AIO on CPU//Corsair H55 + Kraken G10 on GPU//Deepcool Dukase v2 mid-tower case//
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  • I think he just wants MAC OS for developing. I setup the both PCs but the motherboard for the x3460 isn't too good of an OCer. I could only get that chip to 3 Ghz on all cores, so instead I let it turbo to 3.4Ghz. Oddly after a week of use, my brother says he lost one of the RAM DIMM slots. The Bios and windows recognize 8GB RAM but says only 4GB is usable. After several google searches and phone conversations with him, I know he has it installed properly, it seems like I'm stumped. Any thoughts?
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